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Great film! Quick impressions:
1. Therru is easily the best character in the story. I think I'm in love 
2. Not too impressed with the background art. It seemed splotchy and water-colory. The forground art was fine, though.
3. Ged doesn't do much, but everyone else does. He seems to be holding everyone together.
4. The theater was only about one-third full. Not a good sign for a Ghibli opening day. Overhearing comments as people left, I'd say they enjoyed it.
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Can I just ask one silly question... it's probably something that everyone else knows, but I've missed...
I thought that Gedo Senki was going to be based on one book in the "Tales of Earthsea quartet"; but is it based on all four?
You're very lucky to have seen it already...  Did the voices fit the characters?
I'll stop before I ask anything else. 
EDIT: I had a quick look on Wikipedia, and it says that the film is focused mainly on 'The Farthest Shore' ~ so I think I've more or less answered my own question
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quote:
Originally posted by Phyrra
Can I just ask one silly question... it's probably something that everyone else knows, but I've missed...
I thought that Gedo Senki was going to be based on one book in the "Tales of Earthsea quartet"; but is it based on all four?
You're very lucky to have seen it already... Did the voices fit the characters?
I'll stop before I ask anything else.
EDIT: I had a quick look on Wikipedia, and it says that the film is focused mainly on 'The Farthest Shore' ~ so I think I've more or less answered my own question
I haven't read the books, but I'd hazard a guess from the film that Gedo is the central character of the entire series and that Arren, Therru, and Tena are characters he encounters in his journeys.
I just can't get Therru off my mind right now. After Arren saves her from a life of slavery, she turns on him like he was the enemy all along. She warms up to Arren after a while, but the entire process shows a very complicated and ultimately good character.
In my mind, this is one film that should have sequels. Maybe that's the Ghibli plan and Hayao didn't want anything to do with it.
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Originally posted by dballred
Great film! Quick impressions:
1. Therru is easily the best character in the story. I think I'm in love
2. Not too impressed with the background art. It seemed splotchy and water-colory. The forground art was fine, though.
3. Ged doesn't do much, but everyone else does. He seems to be holding everyone together.
4. The theater was only about one-third full. Not a good sign for a Ghibli opening day. Overhearing comments as people left, I'd say they enjoyed it.
Great, thanks for letting us know! That's way better to hear instead of all those Yahoo Movies Japan reviews! Hope you'll make us up happy with a more detailed review... 
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I'm kinda wary of reviews. I wonder if the critics reviewed the movie as a standalone or in comparison to other ghibli movies. Or if they had the father/son issue in their mind when reviewing it.
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oh.. pretty nice...  Very glad to here that. I can smile right now
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Originally posted by Roarkiller
I'm kinda wary of reviews. I wonder if the critics reviewed the movie as a standalone or in comparison to other ghibli movies. Or if they had the father/son issue in their mind when reviewing it.
If I can compare it to other Ghibli movies, I'd say it compares well. I'm positive Hayao would have done a better job, but the only noticeable difference would have been the backgrounds. I don't think he would have agreed to the project, as he probably would have written it differently and gotten in trouble with the author. There are some irretrievably evil characters in the film and he tends to avoid making anyone truly bad.
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What other Ghibli movies would you say are similar to Gedo?...I guess Nausicaa just by aesthetics, but what about music and direction? Judging by the trailer, it looks very slow and meaningful, Takahata perhaps?
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I watched Gedo today.
I reported Yahoo site’s reviews like these last week.
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1. Dialogue is too much, but motion is less.
2. Story is only explained by dialogue but stream.
3. Gedo and Aren only talk and walk but do nothing.
4. Circumstances and the world can’t be seen at all.
5. Things sometimes happen without any explanations and hints are sometimes left unsolved. So audiences need preparation with the book.
6. Voice actors are terrible. Often can’t catch what they say. Japanese subtitle needed.
7. Dark and weird. Nothing funny. Children can't endure even 30 minutes. ……..
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These are my arguments
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About 1 and 2, maybe partly right. But I didn’t so care about.
About 3, Wrong. Gedo doesn’t do much because of valid reason.
About 4, Partly right. Needed more ideas.
About 5, I don’t think so.
About 6, All wrong. I think voice actors are all good including Teshima.
About 7, Almost right. But there is no problem with it. Referring to Dark and weird, Fireflies and Mononoke are much more. Referring funny? Only lowbrow expect funny with this film!! So don’t take small children to the theater for Gedo. Gedo is a quite different kind of film from Cars. Who takes children to Oshii’s JINRO or INNOCENCE? But I saw many children at the theater today. Maybe they got bored.
In conclusion, Gedo isn’t so bad. At least, I enjoyed it.
Hand painted backgrounds are very beautiful like as all Ghiblis.
Some says characters are drown sloppy. Probably it says about bold line and less shadow. But Goro declared he would use bold and simple line when the production started. So that’s intentional even if it’s not effective.
The storyline isn’t so dramatic and not like rollercoaster riding. But Goro should not be blamed on it.
Hayao suggested Goro to refer SHUNA's JOURNEY when the project started. But why SHUNA wasn't filmed by Hayao? I think it was so dark and creepy and couldn't be accept for kids and many people and unexpected success on business. 30 years ago Hayao had no money and no fame and no time. Now Ghigli has spare capacity, and allowed Suzuki to run a risk. But now I think SHUNA is more suitable for movie than Gedo. If you want to see SHUNA, go to Buta connection.
Last of all, If you expect on Gedo like Laputa or Kiki or Spirited Sen, you’ll be disappointed. These are originally storyboarded and animated by a great master but instead Gedo was directed by just a rookie. I’d like to say “Good job†to Goro. And I expect his next directing. 
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dballred
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quote:
Originally posted by fizzy
What other Ghibli movies would you say are similar to Gedo?...I guess Nausicaa just by aesthetics, but what about music and direction? Judging by the trailer, it looks very slow and meaningful, Takahata perhaps?
I would say that this film is sorta like Laputa and Nausicaa bundled into one. The film has periods of reflection and dialog, but it also has plenty of action. If I didn't have any idea who did this, I would say it was a Hayao Miyazaki film.
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Originally posted by Kanta
I watched Gedo today.
I reported Yahoo site’s reviews like these last week.
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1. Dialogue is too much, but motion is less.
2. Story is only explained by dialogue but stream.
3. Gedo and Aren only talk and walk but do nothing.
4. Circumstances and the world can’t be seen at all.
5. Things sometimes happen without any explanations and hints are sometimes left unsolved. So audiences need preparation with the book.
6. Voice actors are terrible. Often can’t catch what they say. Japanese subtitle needed.
7. Dark and weird. Nothing funny. Children can't endure even 30 minutes. ……..
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These are my arguments
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About 1 and 2, maybe partly right. But I didn’t so care about.
About 3, Wrong. Gedo doesn’t do much because of valid reason.
About 4, Partly right. Needed more ideas.
About 5, I don’t think so.
About 6, All wrong. I think voice actors are all good including Teshima.
About 7, Almost right. But there is no problem with it. Referring to Dark and weird, Fireflies and Mononoke are much more.
Referring funny? Only lowbrow expect funny with this film!! So you don’t take small children to the theater for Gedo. Gedo is a quite different kind of film from Cars. Do they take children to Oshii’s JINRO or INNOCENT?
But I saw many children at the theater today. Perhaps they were bored.
In conclusion, Gedo isn’t so bad. At least, I enjoyed it.
Hand painted backgrounds are very beautiful like as all Ghiblis.
Some says characters are drown sloppy. Probably it says about bold line and less shadow. But Goro declared he would use bold and simple line when the production started. So that’s intentional even if it’s not effective.
The storyline isn’t so dramatic and not like rollercoaster riding. But Goro should not be blamed on it.
Hayao suggested Goro to refer SHUNA's JOURNEY when the project started. But why SHUNA wasn't filmed by Hayao? I think it was so dark and creepy and couldn't be accept for kids and many people and unexpected big success on show business. 30 years ago Hayao had no money and no fame and no time. Now Ghigli has spare capacity, and allowed Suzuki to run a risk. But now I think SHUNA is more suitable for movie than Gedo. If you want to see SHUNA, go to Buta connection.
Last of all, If you expect on Gedo like Laputa or Kiki or Spirited Sen, you’ll be disappointed. These are originally storyboarded and animated by a great master but instead Gedo was directed by just a rookie. I’d like to say “Good job†to Goro. And I expect his next directing.
I agree that the critics were completely unfair to Goro. As far as Shuna goes, the film gives credit to Hayao Miyazaki for writing it--so there must be Shuna elements.
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i saw Ged-Senki, its good movie.
it has a touch of animation in 1970's or 1980's.
i post my review later.
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| 07.31.2006, 04:23 PM |
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Originally posted by E_Hakki
More reviews can be read at the comments section of IMDb's profile of Gedo Senki.
http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0495596/usercomments
dballred has also posted a more comprehensive review, although I haven't read it as it seems to contain spoilers.
P.S. dballred, you should put a spoiler warning somewhere at the top.
My review doesn't contain spoilers. All I discuss with any detail is the opening few minutes of the film. The rest is generalities.
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What's wrong with dark and weird? They didn't complain about that when Innocence came out. And no one complained on Takahata's style either.
On #5, don't see why they complain about this but not on HMC's rushy storyline. And going by the trailers, I don't see much problem with the voicing. Why should there be anything wrong with the voicing, anyway? It's probably done by the same recording studio several recent ghibli movies use. There shouldn't be a difference. If anything, I gather they spoke in dialect, and the critics probably didn't understand the dialect.
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I saw Ged-Senki.
I say at first, my favorite are "Castle of Cagliostro", "Porco Rosso", "Laputa" and "Whisper of the Heart".
I didint read Original Novels. I love Oshii Mamoru's movies, therefore, I am accustomed to long dialogs.
This movie like "Puss in Boots", and elements of "The Adventures of Hols, Prince of the Sun", "Lupin III: Castle of Cagliostro"
In conclusion, I recommend it to you. If DVD was released I will buy it.
Certainly, though there are long dialogies, it did not offend me. The dialogs are not for the explanation of scene, I recognised it as talking of man on the screen. They might have wanted to dare to use these dialogs. (I imagine it without consulting anyone.)
Ged-Senki has touch of Animation in 1970's or 1980's.
This animation's lines and colors simply. It might be not satisfy people who became familiar with the recent animation with abundant colors. But, there are a few scenes that has defects in the character's play a little(it is not motion). Would he were able to direct to retake about such parts? It might be a difference of Gorou and Hayao concerning position or ability.
-An economical drawing.
The cuts that person walks are made a layout that doesn't draw the foot.
-BG-arts is simply touch too.
Its OK, but there are some defects cuts, too. It might be a difference of the power between members of the art team.
-Good layout.
But, sometimes, there are not good at connection of cuts.
I hope they will draw a play not only the good picture.
(When I saw making of Spirited Away, it was a source of anxiety to Hayao.)
1. Dialogue is too much, but it is no problem. On the whole, motion is less, but motions are well modulated.
2. Certainly there are much dialogue, but story is not only explained by dialogue.
3. Gedo and Aren only talk and walk but do nothing. No, Arren does **spoiler**
4. Circumstances and the world can’t be seen at all. No, I understood the circumstances and condition of world. And Hayao didn't draw people of outside of the main world except main characters in Mononoke, Spirited Away and Howl, too.
5. Things sometimes happen without any explanations and hints are sometimes left unsolved. Sigh. after all, all of a story, a novel or a movie is like that. Think your head!
6. Voice actors are good except Thrru. She falls into a Kyushu accent.
Often subtitle added in Japan for difficult words or kids or people who is hard of hearing.
7. Dark and weird. Nothing funny. Of course it darker than HMC, and I heard original novels are so. Children can't endure even 30 minutes. Yes, this movie is not for kids.
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Got this from my mailing list.
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The release of "Gedo Senki" (Tales from Earthsea) in Japanese theaters
produced a number of related news tidbits.
Proceeds from the first day at the box office beat "Pirates of the
Caribbean 2" and Toho (the film's distributor) estimates a final tally
of over 10 billion yen. "The Cat Returns" pulled in 6 billion yen
while "Howl's Moving Castle" raked in 19 billion yen.
http://www.cinemanavi.co.jp/
Last weekend's box office results (July 29, 30):
1st: Gedo Senki (435 screens, 672,696 people, 905,335,600 yen)
2nd: Pirates of the Caribbean 2 (750 screens)
3rd: Sinking of Japan
4th: Pokemon
5th: MI3
6th: Brave Story
7th: CARS
8th: Bart No Gakuen
9th: Death Note
10th: Lovery Comprex
"Tales from Earthsea" will screen at the 2006 Venice Film Festival but
not as part of the competition due to the film opening in Korea before
the festival.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features/art...729TDY15002.htm
An English language interview (with Goro Miyazaki is available from
the Daily Yomiuri. The newspaper also carries one of the first
published English reviews of the film.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features/art...729TDY15001.htm
The Official Studio Ghibli Blog has been updated by Tales From
Earthsea / Gedo Senki Director Goro Miyazaki on the 29th. In what he
calls his last entry to the blog, the Director says he will soon visit
America to meet with Ursula K. Le Guin. It's also mentioned that
remodeling on Ghibli Studio 1's 2nd floor is now complete and Hayao
Miyazaki has started preparation work for his next production. Hayao
Miyazaki traditionally spends around 2 years on film production, the
title of his new work has not yet been revealed although announcements
traditionally are made in December.
So GS is actually doing quite well.
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So GS is actually doing quite well.
Maybe relative to other shows at this time, but Ghibli films normally fill the theaters for the first few weeks. I've seen this film three times, and the auditoriums were never over half full. Last weekend, I wandered around Tokyo on an all-day train pass and checked out the box offices at all my favorite theaters (near Odaiba, Maihama, and Minami Funabashi). There was never a case where the auditorium was sold out for the next showing. The only place where I saw sold out performances was on opening day at Tachikawa where there was, coincidentally, a fireworks display that draws around a million spectators.
A Japanese co-worker saw Gedo Senki and said that she didn't enjoy it as much as Howl--which she said she loved. She said she didn't fully understand what was going on and that there was no humor.
Personally, I don't think there should be comic relief in a story if it goes against the mood set by the author. I thought the humor inserted into the second and third installments of LOTR was almost blasphemy. As for understanding the story, that's one privelege you waive when you see any Ghibli film.
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