Posted by saviour2012 on 01.14.2014, 02:45 AM:
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Posted by Saddletank on 01.14.2014, 04:55 AM: My words "far more" meant "far more than in the west", not "far more anime is aimed at adults than at children".
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 01.14.2014, 05:25 AM: I think what Saddletank is saying is even more applicable to manga, where the seinen and josei demographics are, if not quite as massive as shounen and shoujo, still pretty huge markets. Anime does tend to skew a little younger than manga I think, although the amount of anime produced for older teens certainly dwarfs the amount of animation made for that demographic in the West (basically none).
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Posted by arren18 on 01.14.2014, 05:29 AM:
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Posted by Theowne on 01.14.2014, 09:45 AM:
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Posted by saviour2012 on 01.14.2014, 10:37 AM:
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Posted by arren18 on 01.14.2014, 12:48 PM: Thanks for clearing that up.
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Posted by saviour2012 on 01.14.2014, 02:10 PM:
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Posted by Koda on 01.14.2014, 05:21 PM: Really good read, though It's about more than one thing.
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Posted by Saddletank on 01.14.2014, 08:04 PM: you can't make people like what they've decided they're not going to like. Fortunately almost all anime is produced for the home market so what the average westerner thinks of it is irrelevant.
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Posted by arren18 on 01.14.2014, 10:15 PM: I see your point, saviour, but then a big part of why people would be more likely to see those western animated films is that they're actually marketed. Film distributors in countries like the US generally don't put that much effort in to advertising anime, because it's perceived as a niche market. When it is advertised, it's either as something suitable for children - palatable because it fits the average customer's ideas on animation - or as something edgy and exciting, which will then likely not have mass appeal.
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Posted by Koda on 01.16.2014, 06:03 PM:
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 01.16.2014, 06:45 PM:
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Posted by Saddletank on 01.17.2014, 06:04 AM: Generalisations such as I made always have exceptions. Bebop is a great one, but you have to look hard for them. In a way Bebop can't be called an international success if it has huge American appeal but less Japanese appeal. I feel sure its almost solely for the soundtrack, film noir aspects and its title. The exact same anime without the jazz blues and called (something like) "Ronin in Space" probably would not have had anything like the same western fanbase.
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Posted by saviour2012 on 01.17.2014, 09:07 AM: thats a good point. but ghiblis,gits and some other shows like hosada's movies are popular in both regions. Ofcourse within anime fans and some general people. I think if a show like cowboy bebop is not liked in japan very much then japanese anime fans like what i hate about anime.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 01.17.2014, 06:27 PM: The only list of best anime I can find online that seems to have been compiled by Japanese viewers is this one by TV Asahi: www.japanprobe.com/2006/10/16/top-100-anime-list/
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Posted by fenkashi on 01.17.2014, 06:39 PM: Really? Nothing on that list surprises me. Except King of Braves and Overman King Gainer, which I had never heard of before. Also, Candy Candy. And maybe that Doraemon isn't up higher.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 01.17.2014, 07:10 PM: I think I was just surprised by stuff like Pani Poni Dash! (which I've never heard of) coming in at #3. And a show called Strawberry Marshmallow cracking the top ten. You know, stuff like that. Maybe they're masterpieces and I'm just really ignorant.
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Posted by Saddletank on 01.17.2014, 07:21 PM: I imagine they're genres you are not interested in, or aimed at a different demographic to the one(s) you occupy.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 01.17.2014, 08:11 PM: Considering Yoshitoshi ABe hasn't been allowed to direct another show in years, I think it's safe to say that Haibane Renmei did not make a huge splash in Japan. Still, I'm surprised by the absence of Paranoia Agent, as I thought Satoshi Kon was a big name. Also it seems Japanese audiences have forgotten about Utena while Evangelion remains enormously popular. I know Utena was a big deal at the time of its release, at least, considering the insane amount of money they were able to pour into the movie.
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