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Saddletank
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Its definitely in the Japanese version on my DVD. Or are you saying the Japanese soundtrack was also added to for the US/UK marketed version?
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Miyrru
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yeah it was in the japanese version i watched. but i was a good call to put that in there.
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First post.. somewhat new devout fan of miyazaki-san and co.
I just wanted to chime in and say i thoroughly enjoyed Earthsea. Just like everyone else I was not too enthusiastic about seeing this movie due to all the bad news coming from Ursula Le Guin, Hayao vs. Goro, etc. etc.
At first I was not fully interested but twenty minutes in I couldn't help but really enjoy Ged's character. I for one actually enjoyed Tehanu's song as the way its presented is the opposite from a western animation, the song felt unmoving at first having not seen the movie but it's presentation and the lyrics made me cry alongside Lebannen.
While the plot is not as gripping as Hayao would have made it, I really admired Tehanu's point of view especially, towards the end when she tries to reason with Lebannen her logic and concepts (such as "Do you think your life belongs to you" are things I found myself saying, it's almost as if I felt this movie was written by me because Tehanu was implying exactly what I believe deep down in my heart. For some reason, I was able to connect with this character more so than any other character in a Ghibli story , even if she is not the best character in a Ghibli film.
All and all I was much more impressed than I thought I would be and I'd like to consider myself an Earthsea fan. The first thing I wanted to do after watching this movie was getting "A wizard of Earthsea" to go back and learn more of the character Ged now that I have wonderful imagery of him. I guess the movie succeeds at least for me as I cried and identified with it and it made me go get the book without question.
I overall find it to be a welcome addition to the Ghibli catalogue. It's not as good as his father but some day he just as may will be and I honestly pray to see that happen.
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Okay, here's what I think (this is a one-off post, I'm home but I won't really be online much)
Right then. I went to see it. It was a dub. One of the first things I noticed was that the dubbing was bad. The only voices I can say I liked were Sparrowhawk, Hare and that random merchant bloke. On the other hand, I found Tenar's voice, and Cob's at the end, particularly enfuriating. I've experienced worse dubs, but I've experienced much better too.
Another thing that jumped out at me was that everything looked very nice. I suppose in a way, this makes me glad I didn't have to look at subtitles. Also, it had a very filmic quality about it, as if it was real people being positioned in a scene, with real cameras, etc.
I must say I liked it. Some things were poorly explained, but it worked overall. As a big fan of both Studio Ghibli and the Earthsea books, I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it when it was so different from either. Whenever it moved from the original storyline of The Farthest Shore and picked up bits from the other books, and new plot pieces altogether, I smiled. I just liked the way I remembered things, and how cleverly it was put together. For example, the ending was nothing like in the book, but I liked it so much anyway that it was several hours before I realised this.
I probably liked it more than Howl's Moving Castle, which is otherwise the most similar Ghibli, as well as suffering from the same problems. When I saw HMC, I had high expectations and was quite disappointed, but in this case, I'd heard bad things and was pleasantly surprised.
And, while you should only see the dub if absolutely necessary (because they made a total mess of translating Therru's song - people in the cinema were getting bored of said song halfway through), I'll end my little review on a high note, and say that I can't wait to get the DVD and watch it with subtitles.
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I like it. I realize it doesn't have a plot as deep as HMC or as imaginative as Spirited Away, but I think it had great graphics, sound, and a nice moral as well.
One of the cooler things about Ghibli is the moral they put into each of their films, and this one concerned death, which is an issue I think about constantly.
Overall it was a great movie graphics-wise and sound-wise, and the characters were cool as well. It just missed some "explanation scenes" like people here said before me. Its a real shame, I feel like if only the director could paste 15 or 20 more minutes inside the movie it would look totally different.
I like it anyway, though 
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Miyrru
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good post
i agree that it does need some explaination scenes, and maybe some sound track work, i wasnt sure if Joe did this one, someone can correct me, but it is Goro's first film, lets cut the guy some slack, we have too high expectations becasue of Hayao's fanatasic work, and Takahata as well.
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good post
i agree that it does need some explaination scenes, and maybe some sound track work, i wasnt sure if Joe did this one, someone can correct me, but it is Goro's first film, lets cut the guy some slack, we have too high expectations becasue of Hayao's fanatasic work, and Takahata as well.
The soundtrack wasn't Joe Hisaishi on this one, it was by Tamiya Terashima. Personally I thought the soundtrack was really good, although maybe a little over-dramatic for the visuals in places.
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i cant reallyjudge the soundtrack as my downlaod had crappy sound, Therru's song was crackly after a certain pitch so i do have to get a better copy, i would have thought Goro would at least make sure that he had a good soundtrack for his first film, that would have helped overshadow a few of his errors.
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I just went through this thread again. One thing worth noting is that the film is not based on the book of the same name. The book Tales From Earthsea is a collection of short stories relating to the main series. Gedo Senki (in spite of the confusing Western title it was given) is based on the third book in the series, The Farthest Shore. It also has characters and ideas from A Wizard Of Earthsea and Tehanu. I hope that helps solve some confusion.
After thinking about things, I have to say that I still like it. Miyazaki Goro made a poor decision in jumping in so quickly without prior experience, but under the circumstances he made a good job of it. After all, from what I saw of Hols Prince Of The Sun (which, I understand, was under huge restrictions), I did not like it, and yet look at Takahata's Ghibli-era films.
I think that after doing something like this on the first attempt, he could very likely move on to be a damn good director.
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Originally posted by #1sanfan
And my biggest problem is what i believe it was mostly plagarized from and that is princess mononoke. Instead of the industrialization against nature it is people who are reckless against life versus those who value it. It symbolizes this in characters, like mononoke did Therru is San who is trying to show the value of life to Arren who isnt as similar to Ashitaka it is close enough, as he works for the new Eboshi(Cob) in fighting against the enemy of death(the forest) i found it way to similar to PM and it took me half the film to grasp that.
Let me just run these comparrisons by people and see what they think...
Arren - Ashitaka
Therru - San
Ged - Lord Yupa
Hare - Kurotowa
Arren's Horse - Yakul
Cob - Lady Eboshi/Kushana
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seems pretty right on to be its like the characters personalities were taken right out of Mononoke and Nausicaa. I have to watch it again, that might have just been me being ticked off that it wasn;t up to usuall standards.
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Originally posted by #1sanfan
And my biggest problem is what i believe it was mostly plagarized from and that is princess mononoke. Instead of the industrialization against nature it is people who are reckless against life versus those who value it. It symbolizes this in characters, like mononoke did Therru is San who is trying to show the value of life to Arren who isnt as similar to Ashitaka it is close enough, as he works for the new Eboshi(Cob) in fighting against the enemy of death(the forest) i found it way to similar to PM and it took me half the film to grasp that.
Let me just run these comparrisons by people and see what they think...
Arren - Ashitaka
Therru - San
Ged - Lord Yupa
Hare - Kurotowa
Arren's Horse - Yakul
Cob - Lady Eboshi/Kushana
im going to have to disagree with you on the Arren's Horse and Yakul bit. that 'horse' isnt even on the same page as Yakul. 1st of all it doesn't even have a name. 2nd its barely in any major scenes or events in the film. yet they are both fictional creatures based off of real creatures.
im also going to have to disagree with your point on Cob and Lady Eboshi. No one likes Cob (at least i would think not.) but lots of people can like Eboshi, because she is well developed throughout the movie and is a dynamic character, unlike Cob, whom stays static throughout the whole film. shes just that kinda person you'd wanna beat the sh!t out of
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Miyrru
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I thought that Cob is better with Kushana. A bit more rough for lack of a better term. I liked Eboshi, very well developed character.
The horse does lack Yakul's coolness and usefulness, but it still plays a similar role, getting the hero from place to place.
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at least Ashitaka was getting from place to place in style 8]
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T.C.
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yes but think about it from different perspectives..
some of the imagery and established relationships with ashitaka and yakul are (i think) immitated with arren and his horse(though not successfully).. theres a scene where he pats his horse on the nose affectionately after not seeing him for a time, that i cannot watch without seeing Ashitaka/Yakul.
Also im not trying to say that they charcaters are as good or effective as each other, just that i believe it is clear that with some characters (major and minor) Goro looked to his fathers past acheivements for 'inspiration'.
Thats true about eboshi and cob though, thyre not that similar.. i just get vibes. and the fact that Cob 'appears' to be a women, particularly one with thin lips, pale skin and dark hair reminds me of Eboshi too much, expecially after witnessing all the other similarities between the movies.
I cant get over the lord yupa/ged thiong though.. theyre both older, wandering, charasmatic characters with a purpose and who are known throughout the land.. they even both wear brown cloaks and hats/hoods
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