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foreignfilmfreak
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Haha, NC, at your last line. XD
I was raised by my mother to be 100% supportive of homosexual people, although she sometimes has very strange views of them. She doesn't always completely understand why people are, but she still raised me to believe it's not wrong and that they cannot help it. I've had friends who were gay or hid the fact and only told me. They're no different.
Despite it being completely legal here for gay people to marry and have all the same rights, there are still many people against it (heck, most are also against immigrants coming in too). It's sad when people seem to think being gay means it's contageous.
My boyfriend is a very religious person, but in his culture, being gay is OK. They don't have the right to marry, but they're not against people being gay. I don't know completely how it is. The way he thinks is like a man from the 1950s usually, or at least I suspect that is the era. He's OK with it, but at the same time isn't accepting of his children ever being, especially a son, because he'd want his last name given. I asked what's wrong with getting a surrogate mother if we had a son who was gay, and he referred to the child born that way as a "test-tube baby". That kind of upset me..
It's just... they're normal people. Most you'd never know were unless they told you. And making comments at them like it's wrong or using names, it can hurt them.
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Saviour, you seem to have the idea that sex is ONLY for reproduction and appear (I may be wrong here) to give Islam as the reason for this thought. I only have to point to my daughter and her husband. They have sex frequently and solely for the pleasure that it gives them. If a child results, then great, otherwise it is enjoyable. My daughter and I were very close and open with one another while she was growing (she didn't become friends with her mother until she was 17) and we can still have good, open talks about our lives.
BTW, they are both Muslim and living in Saudi Arabia...
saviour, you seem to believe that every statement other than your own is 'unscientific' or 'not a fact'. I do not wish to argue with someone who cannot see that things can and do happen in this world in which we may not believe in. So be it! The world does not operate according to 'saviour' or to 'husky' and, hopefully never will. "Vive la difference"
I see your arguments, but do not agree with them. 'nuff said.
good day, sir.
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I'm not really adding a great deal to the discussion here, but the idea that sex is only about reproduction is absolutely preposterous and ludicrously unscientific. Animals have sex for non-reproductive purposes all the time, and humans have sex for non-reproductive purposes almost exclusively.
There is no reproductive reason for humans to have sex with the frequency they do. That's because, in humans (as in a few other species), sex is primarily a social and bonding activity. No scientist will dispute me on this, trust me.
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It's interesting that Roarkiller came out with the "Sex is only for reproduction" line in some discussion or other a couple of years ago - that might have been about homosexuality as well, so it's clearly a (wrong) teaching of Islam.
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i will talk about it if all of us are available at the same time
please inform me the gmt that most of you are available the time can be defined in range like gmt6 to gmt 9. and also a suggested date may be proposed.
And if you agree with me with this issue [i mean there will be no " i like it that way" kind of talks only right or wrong] then you have to promise me that you will be back on the main discussion. [ equality of women]
And roarkiller has to delete my post after the discussion [ that is why i need all of you here at the same time] you all will be there so you will not miss it but after the discussion it has to be deleted. [ only my posts and the other post that contains anything related to my posts]
discussion will be 6 to 7 hours . so it has to be a holiday of yours. [we could do it in some other place by using group chat option but that will catch attention] there is no hurry. take your time i will be available until the end of this month.
no matter what the posts of discussion has to be deleted by roarkiller .
if that is a deal then i am in otherwise i am out.
I... What? What on earth are you talking about? Do you even know how internet forums work?
Nobody deletes posts around here unless there's a serious breach of forum rules (like someone posting links to child porn). I don't think anyone has ever had a post deleted by UO on here and you don't decide if it happens.
You're not even aware who owns and runs this site are you?
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double post. pls ignore.
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I have the same thoughts, Husky.  (well, I have no say on whether or not... is pleasurable, never have done anything)
If my kids were to be homosexual, it would be sad how society will treat them, especially when I kind of feel sure if I had a son he would end up being so (it's only a thought haha because of the way I am). I believe that's also how my boyfriend thinks, as well as being sad that they might not have children (he considers couples who don't have any to be 'lazy', so excuse him, he's got a lot of learning to do since he somehow believes no one would be drinking at university).
So what if they like the same sex? It's not like that'll give you cooties or something. I mean, I've been hit on by a lesbian, but that's completely different. One, she was my friend, two, she became obsessed with me. But even a guy could be the same way. I kindly rejected her, I think, and wasn't going to throw a bunch of accusations her way.
I've been thought to be a lesbian and people discriminate against me as a result. I mean, I'm not, but still. They refuse to believe me. And some treat me badly because they assume I am and it's really mean. I used to be teased over this all through middle school. It drove me nuts. I can't even imagine how someone who actually is must feel. 
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Originally posted by Calforsale
Well a homosexual is someone who is attracted to just, or mainly their own sex. Well that's how i define it.
What do you mean by scientific and unscientific?
that is not gay or lesbian at all
i will explain that after the equality of women discussion is done.
lol what? How isn't that gay or lesbian. Just because you don't have gay sex doesn't mean your not gay. Same as if you have gay sex doesn't mean your gay. Some people experiment, have sex for non-sexual pleasure fun, have sex with a gay person for reproductive purposes and of course we can't forget other sexualities such as bisexuals.
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Here are but 2 small examples (bondage costume), plus an article of the lewdness that is allowed in these parades. Now show me a parade solely for heterosexuals & that men are allowed to wave their - you know whats around? I don’t care what your sexual orientation is- if people want to dress up like characters from Rocky Horror Picture Show and practically have orgies- fine and dandy, just do it behind closed doors please - not out in our streets! This sort of shocking behavior just sets the whole movement back. I have a gay friend from grade school who agrees with me. Course he and I have similar political views too and that may play into it.
 There are much, much worse pics out there from NY & San Fran parades, but I figured these would suffice.
 Is that a child behind him?
http://www.wnd.com/2007/08/42915/
On a different part of this discussion- I personally don’t believe in promiscuity and hope my daughters will feel the same when they get older, but I don’t shun people that are promiscuous. And the idea of only having sex just for reproducing, is just silly! Who has that much discipline? LOL
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I believe the main intention of nature for sex was reproduction, but today this is certainly not the main reason for why people have sexual relations. And like it was said before, we are not the only species that has homosexual behavior. Bonobos, which are even more sexual than us. They are constantly wanking, having orgys and doing all sorts of things with all sorts of bonobos.
Like i said before, it isn't fair that just because society thinks homosexuals should be repressed, that they should. Here is an article about how a society against gays affects the gays, those against the repression and impressionable people. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/new...-teens-20120202
I'm not even gay myself but i have faced homophobia and i tell you it isn't nice. And that is just stuff which has happened in a more free and liberal country like mine. Imagine living in a place, where you could be sentenced to death just because of one little thing you were born with.
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I also agree with captain and mokie. Not just because of those FREAKY photos mokie just posted, i've been meaning to reply about this.
It isn't fair that people are going to automatically connect the way these few people dress in such obscene ways with the fact they are gay, but what are people going to think if they are dressing as freaks in a gay pride festival? Its just going to reinforce people's opinions that gays are a bunch of diseased freaks. It isn't fair for these homosexuals who like to dress this way, but it isn't helping at all.
IMO the best gay pride festival will have just a bunch of normal people dressed normally walking with their heads held high, shouting for equal rights as they are equals. Gays are normal people who deserve equal rights, one small feature doesn't define who they are or what rights they deserve and this is the message that needs to be put across.
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Tbh, I don't see anything wrong with those pictures. It's a parade, the floats and people in them are going to be flamboyant. And I've never been to a gay pride parade, but (from what pictures I have seen) I would be incredibly shocked if the majority of people weren't normally dressed and there to show support.
...uh practically have orgies? In the middle of the street?
That article about the firemen being harassed is saddening (even though I'm fairly certain that if I looked, that source would have an agenda of it's own, and not gay friendly or accepting... something about the tone of the article is more ... opinion piece by religious/conservative person and less news article. Also, I can't take anything that uses the words "gay agenda" seriously). But anyway, the point is that some gay people have little respect for heterosexuals and might treat them in less than stellar ways... and that is unfortunate indeed. Definitely not helping the cause.
PS. That looks like a person walking on the street (not a child), where the man is probably on top of a float.
Okay... gays being associated with freaks because of a parade. Have you heard of Mardi Gras? There are MANY "freaky" looking people in Mardi Gras celebrations. Are the people who attend Mardi Gras considered freaks? No. It's a parade. A celebration, a chance to party. It is not representative of anyone's "lifestyle".
I don't know how else to say this... the reason you see people dressing like that in gay pride parades is because that's the gay stereotype. They're having fun with the gay stereotype... making it less hurtful, etc.
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It isn't fair for these homosexuals who like to dress this way, but it isn't helping at all.
First of all, like I said, it's a parade. Second of all... judging a group of people as a whole because of the way some of them dress (for a parade, because no one actually dresses like that on the street)... and expecting those few to change the way they dress so people can what? Respect the group as a whole? Be more accepting? This is basically what savior was saying in the equality for women thread. SIGH.
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I don't think people should judge them, but i know it is going to happen. Like i said before, gay pride festivals would be more effective when dressed more normally. We need to try and convince the homophobes there aint nothing to fear/
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to all who are saying it is scientific or something like that
you do not know why the sex was invented by god at the first place.
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Originally posted by Mokiepoet
Here are but 2 small examples (bondage costume), plus an article of the lewdness that is allowed in these parades. Now show me a parade solely for heterosexuals & that men are allowed to wave their - you know whats around? I don’t care what your sexual orientation is- if people want to dress up like characters from Rocky Horror Picture Show and practically have orgies- fine and dandy, just do it behind closed doors please - not out in our streets! This sort of shocking behavior just sets the whole movement back. I have a gay friend from grade school who agrees with me. Course he and I have similar political views too and that may play into it.
There are much, much worse pics out there from NY & San Fran parades, but I figured these would suffice.
Is that a child behind him?
http://www.wnd.com/2007/08/42915/
On a different part of this discussion- I personally don’t believe in promiscuity and hope my daughters will feel the same when they get older, but I don’t shun people that are promiscuous. And the idea of only having sex just for reproducing, is just silly! Who has that much discipline? LOL
go mokiepoet go.
that is[ the photos] actually one of the main thing why society is affected by it.[ no parents will want his children to see something like that at all][ all of the people here never agreed with me that someone specially kids can get attracted or influenced to something that is shown in tv or media and that is totally wrong]
the unscientific point is different.
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to all who are saying it is scientific or something like that
you do not know why the sex was invented by god at the first place.
I love how you criticise people for not explaining their points, then you go and do it all over the place yourself. |:
How on earth are sex and sexuality unscientific? You keep repeating that word but you don't explain it at all.
Sexology is a genuine field of a study, a science.
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How on earth are sex and sexuality unscientific?
who said that i never said that
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Sexology is a genuine field of a study, a science.
i did not said that too
i said being gay or lesbian is unscientific [ not the total homosexuality thing]
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You are making no sense whatsoever, Saviour. If you are gay or lesbian, you are homosexual. They are the same, perfectly scientific thing.
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You are making no sense whatsoever, Saviour. If you are gay or lesbian, you are homosexual. They are the same, perfectly scientific thing.
no even if you are homosexual you need not to be gay or lesbian
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its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
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this thread is about gay rights so talk about it i will not interfere just do not say it is scientific or natural .
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Ask, think and learn. Because the more we know the more we grow.
Watching the wrong to happen is the same as commiting the wrong.
If it looks like things are forcing you to be creative, Then be creative.
its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
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