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Originally posted by Roarkiller

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Originally posted by Nausicaa_Cat
If she dressed how she was told by our religion then the men will not even look at her and do what they were doing.


You're doing it again. This line contradicts your earlier claim that both parties are responsible, because here you are asserting that it is not the man's fault.

I cannot say anything about your English proficiency, but clearly you need to learn how to choose your words more carefully.

Remember, good communication is in how you speak, not what you speak in.



I do not really understand. I am not saying that men is doing the right thing. Both of them are crossing the line. I do not get where do you find i am saying it is not man's fault.


i think i found my fault i said then is that why you are getting the idea that i am saying man is not faulty. please help me.


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Ah okay Roar, from the short section I read I didn't pick up on there being a derogatory tone so I thought it was a reliable source clearly not!

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned I feel I've said all I can on this subject - all that I felt needed to be expressed. I don't feel there is anything more I can say to convince you saviour where you are going wrong, since I don't think you're really taking in what I'm saying. Not intentionally I just think perhaps your priority is to get across your points, which people are finding muddled, rather than really trying to understand others perspectives perhaps? I don't know

So yeah, I think I'm out! Unless something really hideously sexist comes up, in which case I can't promise to bite my tongue :')

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since I don't think you're really taking in what I'm saying. Not intentionally I just think perhaps your priority is to get across your points, which people are finding muddled, rather than really trying to understand others perspectives perhaps? I don't know

So yeah, I think I'm out! Unless something really hideously sexist comes up, in which case I can't promise to bite my tongue :')



yes that is quite correct. I am really do not getting , what are most of you who disagree with me trying to prove.
As i said before If you please give a step by step procedure that helps to gain women equality and also maintains the stability of society then only i will be able to understand what that different approach that ''other prospective''may be

[ i mean if men opens a female strip bar , then opening a male strip bar by women is not a solution to get equality. the solution is closing the female strip bar that man has opened. and i am not saying when man opens a female strip bar that is right, actually i am saying that is so wrong that both man and woman has to join forces to close that]


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And at this point I feel the need to sidetrack a little and defend my religion from inaccuracy.

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And then saviour says "religion is good". If the Islamic faith creates attitudes like saviour's it is anything but good.
If a religion creates an attitude that WANTS to create equality (even if the method is wrong, but that can be worked out), I fail to see how it is anything but good.
Roar, thank you, this is exactly what I have been saying. If a religion created an attitude that wanted equality and people followed it, it would be good.

But they do not, they twist its words and teachings for their own ends and profit. They have in the Christian west and they have in the Islamic east.

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Originally posted by Roarkiller Men ARE supposed to cover up, and almost as much as women themselves, actually.
There. You see? Men are supposed to cover up equally but they do not. They require women to and thus live by double standards.

Islam's teachings may well be beautiful mechanisms by which men and women should be equal, but weak humans screw it up. Its the same with Christianity. And the degree to which humans screw religions up, and the grotesque and barbaric things they do in its name is why I assert that religion is not good. The misinterpreted force of its words allows far more suffering to be inflicted on far more people than if we didn't have it.

As regards websites with an agenda... well, we need to disregard 99% of the internet then. I very much doubt any of the 'facts' on the porn industry quoted earlier came from officially funded academic studies. Much better to get our quotes and facts from books with acknowleged authors.

But regardless of that, the Q&A piece was all that was quoted and if the A is a true answer to the Q then no harm was done.

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Originally posted by saviour2012 I am really do not getting , what are most of you who disagree with me trying to prove.
In which case I really do think we should stop, since one side of the debate doesn't understand the other at all.


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Originally posted by saviour2012 I am really do not getting , what are most of you who disagree with me trying to prove.


In which case I really do think we should stop, since one side of the debate doesn't understand the other at all.



I think all of you never talked about a scientific solution, all you wanted to say is i want it that way.

Women rights must be provided. The difficulties the face in Western and Asian culture has to be solved. I see no other way to do that other than mine and roarkiller [ it is not actually ours it is from our religion] if we go your way then there will be never real equality .the number of people who harass women is increasing and also it is not a because that women dress revealingly . In my country women dress modestly but still they get harassed and it is not because they started going outside of home just now they have been doing the same thing for at-least hundred years but the problem started just some years after our country was acknowledged with cable tv in 1995 [believe me there was no such thing as harassment in my country before then], the problem is you do not see my aspects that is because you are not seeing the change is happening in my culture. I assume may be Saddletank's grandfather's grandfather may have seen that change only he would understand what i am saying. So try to provide a solution.


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What is with this thing about 'winning'? A discussion or argument in here is not about winning or losing, it is about an exchanging of ideas. To tell how you feel about a subject and learn the ideas of others.

Discussion is over for me...


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This discussion began with a problem.

A problem requires a solution.

Saviour is looking for a suggested solution.

I fail to see how that is wrong.

@saddle: If a student fails to understand a math solution, he does not blame the textbook. Nor its existence.

Likewise, when men fails to understand religious laws, he does not blame the book. Nor its existence.

That's dumb logic.


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saviour, your last post is making me think that you believe TV is the reason for sexual harassment of women. This makes no sense whatsoever. You also say that there used to be no such harassment before, which you cannot even produce facts to back up, because it is an issue which has for a long, long time been avoided. When the blame is placed primarily on the woman for such incidents, then of course reported cases of them are going to be much lower. In fact, your reference to TV can be looked at in a different way entirely: because of greater media coverage of such issues, bringing them out into the open, it has become more acceptable for women to admit that they have been harassed. Because of this, the issue is nowadays taken more seriously, and reported incidents have increased because there is less expectation on women to feel responsible for it.


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saviour, your last post is making me think that you believe TV is the reason for sexual harassment of women. This makes no sense whatsoever. You also say that there used to be no such harassment before, which you cannot even produce facts to back up, because it is an issue which has for a long, long time been avoided. When the blame is placed primarily on the woman for such incidents, then of course reported cases of them are going to be much lower. In fact, your reference to TV can be looked at in a different way entirely: because of greater media coverage of such issues, bringing them out into the open, it has become more acceptable for women to admit that they have been harassed. Because of this, the issue is nowadays taken more seriously, and reported incidents have increased because there is less expectation on women to feel responsible for it.



Wrong wrong wrong

That is true that i can not give you some official facts because my country is not still that improved.


But i think you have not read my post on blaming. That is 500% true that there have not been any major issue of harassment . Now i feel very very sorry that i can not give any proof that is fairly acceptable

Now for the tv, try to understand , in my country's cable tv channels there has not been a channel that shows porn or something very close to that. But they showed or provided something that was not available in our imagination both men and women. These thing changed their outlook to look on another. [ the heroine in the movies are very very attractive to men and the heroes were to women] this thing actually started the harassment part. Now if you still do not understand then just say i will elaborately make you understand where did this harassment part came from[ that is universally applicable to all cultures, your cultures faces that centuries ago my culture is facing that now]

now try to understand internet actually sponsors porn[ i am not saying that it officially agrees with porn i am just saying that internet is the main source of porn] But when it hit our country in 2000 by connecting to the global submarine cable then it was supposed that there will be a major issue of what should i tell it ..... like losing grasp over mind or being disobedient to the rules of religion [ by saying this point those evil stupid politician and businessman stopped us from connecting] but that did not happen . Even more it brought more good it allowed us to connect to the global source of knowledge and that made us the possibility to become the third largest country in outsourcing.

Why is that?

Because the people who lose grasp over mind or harass women are those who are not actually very well educated both in general school and in religious school. So they get exited without thinking. And some girls were also following the trend of revealing fashion.

Get the point here , those girls were very rich and also socially powerful , so those evil minded guys were not even able to get even 10000miles near them. So they attacked those girls who dressed modestly and all of that started after implementing cable tv.

Now the internet using people are more educated in both religion and institutionally. So they were not affected. But now as the computer is available to youngsters who are not enough educated in those ways do not understand what i understand [ though i am only 20 the boy who is 16 does not know about religious rules very much ( do you understand what i am saying here i am saying that after the thought of making money came in our mind from your evil-businessmen our parents started to think that institutional education is more important as it ensures making money so that when i read Qur'an i was 6 carried on upto nine and then stopped, my brother read for a year when he was 6 and stopped and then started at the age of 17 now as my sister who is 7 started too) and the boy or girl who is born today there is a definite possibility that that child will never learn Qur'an unless he is from a very very very religious big family (not nuclear family)]
So they do not try to weigh things by right or wrong, just like you. They think if that is fun. Then we can do that.

Now the problems lies actually in men. As we are more powerful we have some more responsibility. It was done by our ancestors of my culture they actually gave punishment to those who crossed the line [ there is and will be some blacksheeps in every culture] We city boys used to slap those who whistled to a girl when she is walking by. [ more punishment to those who cross line more] But now it seems very hard . Because of the increasing number, you can slap one but can not a group [ they learned this from movies] Now the problem is even more now the stupid ...[ in the dots try to think about the worst slang] police is with them. And they are now improved too as they have from a dagger to automatic weapons, to face the guys like me.

I hope you understand now.

Off topic : now i feel very bad to see why the guys do not stop the guy who honks horn on a girl[in the western country it is not available now in my society but will be in a few years ] [ i feel that quite wrong because your police is good and are with you] or they hold same kind of weapons like mine. i they don't then why you do not get him slap him or kick him


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Originally posted by Roarkiller
This discussion began with a problem.

A problem requires a solution.

Saviour is looking for a suggested solution.

I fail to see how that is wrong.

@saddle: If a student fails to understand a math solution, he does not blame the textbook. Nor its existence.

Likewise, when men fails to understand religious laws, he does not blame the book. Nor its existence.

That's dumb logic.



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quote:
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@saddle: If a student fails to understand a math solution, he does not blame the textbook. Nor its existence.

Likewise, when men fails to understand religious laws, he does not blame the book. Nor its existence.

That's dumb logic.

Honestly, Roar, you're just not understanding what I'm writing. I 100% agree with you. Read my post again.

What Jesus taught was awesome and the truth and all we need to have heaven on earth is follow what he commanded. The maths book is flawless. Its the students that are idiots. They see that 2+2=4 and make it equal some other number to suit their purposes.

That's 3 times I have said the same thing now. Please try to follow my point, I don't want to make it again.

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And you're not understanding what I'm saying either, which is why a few posts above I suggested we stop this. The fact you had no clue what Nausicaa Cat's emotional and heartfelt post was even about proved we are wasting our time.


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@saddle: If a student fails to understand a math solution, he does not blame the textbook. Nor its existence.

Likewise, when men fails to understand religious laws, he does not blame the book. Nor its existence.

That's dumb logic.

Honestly, Roar, you're just not understanding what I'm writing. I 100% agree with you. Read my post again.

What Jesus taught was awesome and the truth and all we need to have heaven on earth is follow what he commanded. The maths book is flawless. Its the students that are idiots. They see that 2+2=4 and make it equal some other number to suit their purposes.

That's 3 times I have said the same thing now. Please try to follow my point, I don't want to make it again.

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And you're not understanding what I'm saying either, which is why a few posts above I suggested we stop this. The fact you had no clue what Nausicaa Cat's emotional and heartfelt post was even about proved we are wasting our time.



The problem is that saddletank you are saying all people in the world is bad. That is not correct. That is what i am trying to make you understand.

though the system our ancestors followed was wrong it does not mean that we can not make it right.

I think i understand why are you saying that it is because you are 50+ . you have seen that system always collapses by evil-greedy-power hungry men. So you are saying that what ever we try after sometime the system will collapse when the power hungry men comes in the scene.


But that is where you are wrong. You are losing hope. And that is one of your weakness. System is kept in good shape by regularly maintaining it. A good car will be performing good when it is regularly checked and maintained. Otherwise it will not perform. Society is the same. you will see in all religions, that it worked for some centuries then it started to diminish. That is not because that system was wrong it was because we the people did not maintained it. So we have to maintain it no matter what.

If that is assured then the religion will never fall


i think you have understood now.


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The problem is that saddletank you are saying all people in the world is bad. That is not correct. That is what me and roarkiller is trying to make you understand.
No, that is not what I said.

I said saddle is blaming religion for many of the world's problems (look back a few posts), and I am rebutting this argument.

And I disagree with you here. I for one believe that a VERY large portion of humans are bad. Religious people included.

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Islam's teachings may well be beautiful mechanisms by which men and women should be equal, but weak humans screw it up. Its the same with Christianity. And the degree to which humans screw religions up, and the grotesque and barbaric things they do in its name is why I assert that religion is not good. The misinterpreted force of its words allows far more suffering to be inflicted on far more people than if we didn't have it.
@saddle: It's kinda hard to misinterpret this quote, know what I mean? Unless this was a slip-up?


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And I disagree with you here. I for one believe that a VERY large portion of humans are bad. Religious people included.



this is actually the main point that you disagree with me. you are saying religious people are bad i have to say you are wrong here. The logic is very simple if a person is bad he can not be religious. Because he is not actually following the religion at all. he is doing thing for his profit. how can be that a part of being religious. as religion did not told him to do. why are you saying that man religious.


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this is actually the main point that you disagree with me. you are saying religious people are bad i have to say you are wrong here. The logic is very simple if a person is bad he can not be religious. Because he is not actually following the religion at all. he is doing thing for his profit. how can be that a part of being religious. as religion did not told him to do. why are you saying that man religious.



Religion is outdated.

Just saying.

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And I disagree with you here. I for one believe that a VERY large portion of humans are bad. Religious people included.



this is actually the main point that you disagree with me. you are saying religious people are bad i have to say you are wrong here. The logic is very simple if a person is bad he can not be religious. Because he is not actually following the religion at all. he is doing thing for his profit. how can be that a part of being religious. as religion did not told him to do. why are you saying that man religious.
He thinks he's religious! You may think differently but that does not change what he claims drives him.

The Crusaders were deeply religious, so were the Cardinals of the Spanish Inquisition, so are many fundamentalist suicide bombers. They actively believe God is telling them to do the things they do. That's religion for you.


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Islam's teachings may well be beautiful mechanisms by which men and women should be equal, but weak humans screw it up. Its the same with Christianity. And the degree to which humans screw religions up, and the grotesque and barbaric things they do in its name is why I assert that religion is not good. The misinterpreted force of its words allows far more suffering to be inflicted on far more people than if we didn't have it.
@saddle: It's kinda hard to misinterpret this quote, know what I mean? Unless this was a slip-up?

It is extremely hard to misinterpret this quote but you manged to. See how you put only the conclusion in bold but missed all my reasoning as to why I reach that position? I've put the reasons in bold and red so its now more clear.

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Originally posted by saviour2012 You are losing hope. And that is one of your weakness. System is kept in good shape by regularly maintaining it. A good car will be performing good when it is regularly checked and maintained. Otherwise it will not perform. Society is the same. you will see in all religions, that it worked for some centuries then it started to diminish. That is not because that system was wrong it was because we the people did not maintained it. So we have to maintain it no matter what.

If that is assured then the religion will never fall.
Organised religion has had 2000 years in the west and 1400 in the middle east. No sign of anything good coming out of it yet. How long should I wait? How many more millions of people should die in its name before we decide enough is enough?

Why should men change? When will Roman Catholic priests stop molesting choirboys? Why the hell should they when the religious edifice they are a part of is the cause?


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And I disagree with you here. I for one believe that a VERY large portion of humans are bad. Religious people included.



this is actually the main point that you disagree with me. you are saying religious people are bad i have to say you are wrong here. The logic is very simple if a person is bad he can not be religious. Because he is not actually following the religion at all. he is doing thing for his profit. how can be that a part of being religious. as religion did not told him to do. why are you saying that man religious.
He thinks he's religious! You may think differently but that does not change what he claims drives him.

The Crusaders were deeply religious, so were the Cardinals of the Spanish Inquisition, so are many fundamentalist suicide bombers. They actively believe God is telling them to do the things they do. That's religion for you.


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Islam's teachings may well be beautiful mechanisms by which men and women should be equal, but weak humans screw it up. Its the same with Christianity. And the degree to which humans screw religions up, and the grotesque and barbaric things they do in its name is why I assert that religion is not good. The misinterpreted force of its words allows far more suffering to be inflicted on far more people than if we didn't have it.
@saddle: It's kinda hard to misinterpret this quote, know what I mean? Unless this was a slip-up?

It is extremely hard to misinterpret this quote but you manged to. See how you put only the conclusion in bold but missed all my reasoning as to why I reach that position? I've put the reasons in bold and red so its now more clear.



now saddletank this is the fourth time that i am asking for a solution. please will you provide me. i think the people who are older needs to guide the youngsters.

why are you not getting that problems has to be solved.

what do you suggest i need to do

should i let it go as it is going

please try to give a solution.


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I do not have a solution to religion. It will go on being an evil force in the world.

As to the solution to sexual equality - a slow and steady insistence on dismantling our current male-domianted society by active females and liberal males is the way, as Nausicaa Cat and others have said. Its been at work since the late 1800s and is still working away. I am confident we'll get there, or at least see more improvements.

Sexual equality has no change whatsoever in Islamic countries because of the state religion.


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He thinks he's religious! You may think differently but that does not change what he claims drives him.



this is actually the first time that i am getting your point. you should have made that earlier. instead you said religion does not work.


i understand now the man who is doing the wrong thing is actually thinking that he is religious. i never thought about that before. i never thought that he is thinking himself a religious person.

but still my point prevails because at the end the man who is doing wrong has to prove to himself[ if he thinks himself religious he must think that he has to answer to the god otherwise he will not be religious] that what he has done has brought more good than bad. how in the world those man, who are calling themselves religious, can prove themselves and to god that thing?


now you can not say that he will do that without perfect measures. you can not say that he will think what he has done has brought good without proper measurement. that will be completely illogical. because then the roars point that says if a math student do not understand the math it is actually the students fault will come. that is his own fault that he is doing bad things without understanding it. Now saddletank now tell me how can he cheat to himself?


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I do not have a solution to religion. It will go on being an evil force in the world.

As to the solution to sexual equality - a slow and steady insistence on dismantling our current male-domianted society by active females and liberal males is the way, as Nausicaa Cat and others have said. Its been at work since the late 1800s and is still working away. I am confident we'll get there, or at least see more improvements.

Sexual equality has no change whatsoever in Islamic countries because of the state religion.



now that is not acceptable because Nausicaa_cat's point has suggested that the harassment thing will not be stopped.

To me the suggestion is as male opened a female strip bar women will open male strip bar.

Is that what you are calling women equality


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