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In other cases, I might sympathize with that kind of view. But my understanding is that Miyazaki is fortunate to have retained a large degree of creative control over his work, meaning that (to me) the more popular recent ones more or less constitute well-deserved recognition that should have been there all along, rather than an artist selling out for popularity. And frankly, I don't quite understand why Spirited Away was so much more popular than some of his other works, seeing as it's a lot less "straightforward" than Kiki's Delivery Service or other films. It wouldn't strike me as something aimed at a general audience, and yet, it had widespread appeal...
Still, I guess there's an attraction to things just because they're still obscure and different.
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"For those who are ten, for those who are about to be ten, and for those who were ten."
Pretty general if you ask me 
Anyway, to argue about whether his earlier works or his later works are the better ones is moot; quality isn't decided by time.
Anyway, Miyazaki was generally known more than just a workaholic. He was also a perfectionist.
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When you compare his works, you have to factor in the time in which they were made. Things can change over a few years, or decades if compareing his earlier work to his more recent work.
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exactly
artistic styles, plots, story telling, etc. are all due for change every few years.
its just like watching movies from the 60's or 50's, there not to interesting.
not saying Hayao's early stuff isnt interesting, but in todays world (as in 2005+) it doesnt meet that "something"
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In other cases, I might sympathize with that kind of view. But my understanding is that Miyazaki is fortunate to have retained a large degree of creative control over his work, meaning that (to me) the more popular recent ones more or less constitute well-deserved recognition that should have been there all along, rather than an artist selling out for popularity. And frankly, I don't quite understand why Spirited Away was so much more popular than some of his other works, seeing as it's a lot less "straightforward" than Kiki's Delivery Service or other films. It wouldn't strike me as something aimed at a general audience, and yet, it had widespread appeal...
Still, I guess there's an attraction to things just because they're still obscure and different.
Yes, the fact that not many other people know about things can make them attractive to some people.
I'm not one of those people, spirited away was the first ghibli i saw all of so i owe my allegiance to that as the initiator of my Ghibli love.
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Originally posted by ={HSA}= MORO
exactly
artistic styles, plots, story telling, etc. are all due for change every few years.
its just like watching movies from the 60's or 50's, there not to interesting.
not saying Hayao's early stuff isnt interesting, but in todays world (as in 2005+) it doesnt meet that "something"
Does Nausicaa, for example, not "meet that something", as you put it?
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oh no, Nausicaa definitely meets that "something", i just mean Hayaos very first few
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He only had one film before that.
I see what you're getting at, though; Nausicaa does seem sort of dated to me. At least, the film seems to be a product of the era in which it was made more than Miyazaki's other works, what with the funky soundtrack and giant bugs and stuff.
But I don't think that theory always holds up. Most of my favorite movies, for example, were made decades before I was born.
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I found that it lacked the storytelling finesse of his later works, and I find the soundtrack grating. It's good, but it's not one of my favorites.
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I found that it lacked the storytelling finesse of his later works, and I find the soundtrack grating. It's good, but it's not one of my favorites.
Ye, the soundtrack and sound affects jump around to much i think, and are very... eighties.
But it is certainly an excellent storyline in my opinion, and had it been made last year it would have been just as popular as howls... open to debate of course...
Also nausicaa has some great artwork, especially the manga.
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I think that the music when the bugs are around is some of the best i have heard in an anime. But thats just my opinion.
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exactly
artistic styles, plots, story telling, etc. are all due for change every few years.
its just like watching movies from the 60's or 50's, there not to interesting.
Style, yes, but plot and storytelling? No.
Sorry, it's either good or bad, regardless of era. Time doesn't affect imagination.
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yeah, think about it
the way stories were told in the 40's for example, were with little dialog, small sets and slow passed stories, now most movies are faster passed, more dialog, large sets and huge budgets
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the age thing is a good point
i downloaded the original 1979 gundam movies, i turned the first one off after 10 minutes, the animation was painful to watch. i couldnt do it.
now notto say nausicaa is crap because it isnt even close, but it has aged. but i think it aged more gracefully than most films, i can still watch it. the age factor doesnt jump out to me when compared with the other ghibli films as they are all in the same style.
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I really like how Nausicaa looks. It is aged, but I don't particulary feel that it hurts my level of enjoyment, nor that it will worsen over time. I really enjoy seeing all of the stylistic changes the industry,and Miyazaki himself, go through.
I also really liked the music, it's like electro classical, which is very neat.
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Its a classic. Which means that people who grew up with the film, or watched it when they were growing up, they will always love it. But for people who are watching it in todays day and age, it will be alot different.
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