So speaking of rights, Homosexual people are also incredibly marginalized. If you've been paying attention to what's going on in Liberia you'll know what I mean.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar...w-homosexuality

And just... it makes me so angry that someone who would get a Nobel prize for campaigning women's rights would say something like "We've got certain traditional values in our society that we would like to preserve."

WTH.

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Yeah gay rights have a long way to go as well.... like being killed because of something you naturally are, by law. Just terrible!

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Oh, this topic can get me so angry sometimes. The treatment of gays, and in fact the entire LGBT community, in some places is just... sickening. I mean, even in this country there's a great furor over gay marriage and I just... I don't understand why. What difference does it make to your life if the two guys next door get married? What business is it of yours? Gah. )<

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First of all i want to say i will not take part in the unscientific issue of gay and lesbian . So do not miss me


i am just joking [ i know to most of you i am annoying so you will not miss me][ and about the law that law is not correct but not wrong too]

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What difference does it make to your life if the two guys next door get married? What business is it of yours? Gah. )<

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its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
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What difference does it make to your life if the two guys next door get married? What business is it of yours? Gah. )<

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Kazegami you do not try to understand that in society everything matters to everybody. If a guy who stole something says to a judge that i stole from that guy what difference does it make to your life? will the judge take that point? he will not because that makes a difference in his life. if he allows a thief that he can steal and the affected person and the thief can sort things out between themselves then he is actually allowing theft. So never say that something you do that does not make a difference in society. if you want to do things differently and also that affects the structures of society then you have to do that going outside of society.

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Being gay is not a crime.

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its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
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Being gay is not a crime.

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I never said that that is a crime [i do not know the decision of my religion in this matter]

I said it matters to the society if someone is gay or lesbian. [ now if you ask me how does that matter i will explain, but that is not this thread is about]

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I don't see what your sexuality should matter to your next door neighbor.

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its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
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I don't see what your sexuality should matter to your next door neighbor.

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It is not my sexuality that matters it matters the society as that is unscientific. [ ask if you want explanation, because that is irrelevant to the thread]

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What he means, kaz, is that you should look beyond the 'I' and look at the 'we'.

Society in general are not comfortable with it. Lawmakers need to take this into account.

So yes, it matters to someone out there, even if you are not. Your opinion is one of many, and unfortunately for you, there are more against it than for it.

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Screw your opinions, they are not relevant ^^.

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As long as gays and lesbians aren’t making a speckle of themselves in public just for shock value (like in parades…), then they don’t bother me. Those who do obscene things in public make people uncomfortable (to say the least) and probably set thing back.
Having said that- gays and lesbians should have the same rights as every human being. There are all sorts of reasons why people are gay, including people that seem to be born that way.
In my opinion, the subject of gay and lesbian rights is another ridiculous religious argument.

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As long as gays and lesbians aren’t making a speckle of themselves in public just for shock value (like in parades…), then they don’t bother me. Those who do obscene things in public make people uncomfortable (to say the least) and probably set thing back.

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I just read the article (was in school earlier).

I believe many people missed reading thispart:

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Gongloe also said the country was still not ready for a debate on gay rights. "Liberians need public education on the issue. Our society is not at that point yet to have a civil conversation on the issue," he said.

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Screw your opinions, they are not relevant ^^.

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This is one of the things I find hard to understand about society - society now and as it has been in a past.

Sexual activity (though that is not what it amounts to in the slightest) between two consenting adults which enriches both of their lives does not seem to me to be wrong in any sense of the word.

Punishing somebody for doing something that harms nobody is inherently wrong. Countries like Liberia which have these kind of laws disgust me - it probably isn't politically correct to say that, but I believe in human rights not heterosexuals-only rights. What that government is doing is wrong. Maybe it is an ingrained part of their society but that doesn't make it any less backward and barbaric.

Just because you are homosexual, because you are attracted to and love a member of the same sex, doesn't make you any less human.

Homosexuality exists in thousands of animal species, how damn unnatural can it be?

I'm fine with them being given these rights. I know for a fact I'm 120% hetero, and don't feel the slightest bit undermined.

Those who feel undermined by giving homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals are the most insecure individuals ever.

I know countless straight individuals who are more than willing to make a spectacle as well. Snogging in the halls of my campus, pretty much shagging each other, for a sensible man with no girlfriend it's an affront. So I think the main issue here is the spectacle and not the sexuality.

BTW, I'm from a state which recently ruled an anti-homosexual law unconstitutional, yet in my county they supported it in force (I'm a liberal in a sea of conservatives, pretty much) and whined about it being repealed.

Moral of the story: Grow up, get a life, and if one individual's actions make you feel undermined...you still have much to learn.

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I know countless straight individuals who are more than willing to make a spectacle as well. Snogging in the halls of my campus, pretty much shagging each other, for a sensible man with no girlfriend it's an affront. So I think the main issue here is the spectacle and not the sexuality.

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For me, to see a man kiss a woman is nothing, but to see a man kiss a man is unusual enough to seem odd to me, even though I kiss my grown sons on the lips and my son-in-law kisses me as well.

I believe that a gay man or woman should have the same rights as any other man or woman. No exceptions, no conditions, nothing that is any different from that given to the rest of mankind. I haven't known any gay couples, but I have known a lot of gays, both male and female. One of my daughters male friends from school, who happened to be gay, lived with us for 6 months. He was HIV positive, but my family had no problem with this young man's life. We exercised reasonable precautions and life went on. The last I heard of this man was that he was dancing in a gay revue in Las Vegas. I wish him well.

I am heterosexual myself and I am quite happy with the way I am, without having to deal with the problems that gays are having with society.

I support gay rights as I would women's rights and men's rights and grey rights.

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Homosexuality is completely natural. Why would someone choose to be something which can cause so much pain to them even in a more liberal society.

I think the main issue is that people find it weird, and people don't like weird/different things. Its okay to see a man and a woman kiss, that is normal, but a woman and a woman kissing, oh no!

Anyway, even if a society believes that gays should not have rights, that doesn't mean its okay for them to be repressed within that society. Its the society who should change, not the gays.

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It's not even "weird" in every society. It was the norm in ancient Greece for men.

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