Posted by saviour2012 on 03.23.2012, 12:02 PM:
Why God or Allah is scientific
quote: Originally posted by Nausicaa_Cat
Saviour, your perspective of it being scientific is to me ridiculous, because I don't believe the concept of a God/Allah is scientific in the slightest.
I have spent two years now studying the philosophical/scientific arguments for God's existence and they have in no way convinced me, none of them are without faults.
To me the idea of any form of creationist deity is not scientific.
Science is based on empirical evidence, empirical evidence is that which is verifiable through experiments/observation. It can be proven to be the truth. Scientific theories have to have some form of evidence or proof to support them or they are not accepted as credible. To me in the thousands of years people have been claiming we are all ruled over by a being in the sky, not one shred of concrete evidence has existed to prove this.
I'm sorry I just don't think religion and science naturally come hand in hand. Essentially religion falls back on the concept of God and this cannot be scientifically proven.
As far as the gay pride parades go I have no problem with them at all. I know plenty of straight people who attend gay prides, especially the one in Brighton, because they find them fun, joyful experiences. The parades provide an opportunity for homosexuals to dress up in expressive ways and have fun with their sexuality. Yes sometimes those outfits are revealing, but no more so than the average thing you see a model wearing on a billboard as you walk down the street. I don't think you can claim yourself to be accepting of homosexuality and then ask them to 'tone it down'. I accept there's a shock factor and some people may find it a little unsettling, but I think that's a good thing, it expands people's minds and experiences. From all that I have heard from first-hand visitors to gay prides they've found them a fantastic experience.
I do not know if you are a science student or not. If you are not a science student or study in school level then there is nothing very wrong, you just do not know. But if you are a science student and study in higher level than school then you should be ashamed of yourself, you are a total shame to the science community.
First of all let me start my discussion by quoting something from one of the greatest scientist of the world, Albert Einstein. he said
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
To prove a theory scientist use a special kind of method this is called scientist's method [not scientific] . This method was invented by Sir Isac Newton, when he discovered the laws of motion which practically founded the classical science. What is that method ? That method is when you want to prove a theory true [understand here , math is totally universal truth there will be never when there will be 2+2=5] you bring up some laws, and try to validate your theory from that law by mathematics. And it is done by Algebra [today specifically by calculus]. Do you know who invented Algebra, it was invented by Musa Al-Khwarizmi, an arab mathematician, In his Book "Al-jibr" . Algebra is the latin translation of it. And the total algebra part came from Al-Qur'an.
So when the scientist try to prove something by mathematics they could not do it. Because there is some-kind of special system in the universe in which their solution is proved wrong or can not prove it at-all. So then they started to put constant in the scientific laws.
They can not prove why there are such constant just there are. But they are very very real. look below the picture[sorry for the picture quality][ if you are a science student then you know what other things are , if you are not then you need not know]
So the scientist will never ever ever say something wrong if that can not be proved wrong by Mathematics. God is like this constant we can not prove or unprove [antonym of prove as i could not find any other word] his existence. It is Universal truth. When you question the existence of God you are actually asking Why 2+2=4 more easily you are asking why 1 is 1 why it is not 2. These are the basic fundamentals of Universe. You can not prove it does not mean it is not here. If the scientist takes the constants out of the equation then there will be no science at all.
Now even if we can not prove Allah's existence it does not mean he is stupid that he will not know that we will someday question his existence from scientific outlook. So he gave some pure paradigm or signs from which we can justify our question. Now try to understand Qur'an is a book of signs not a book of science. So it will not swim in science because if it did that its size would be unscientifically big[ even billions of library can not keep all the knowledge in the universe]. But there are many many scientific signs in it. some of them have been already proven and some will be proved in the future. Qur'an is a book for all time so there has to be something for the future people otherwise they will say Allah has left nothing for us. ALL of our prophets including Hazrat Musa [musas] , Hazrat Isa [ jesus crist] and Hazrat Muhammad knew these truths but Allah specifically said them not to tell those to us because he wanted us to discover those when the time is suitable for us.
Now i will give you five example of those signs that was given in Al-Qur'an
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1.the first example is from the time when the science was starting to make some sense
Earth is round and Earth moves round the Sun: Allah said in Al-Qur'an "
this line
"And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun, and the moon, each in an orbit floating."
[Soorah al-Anbiyaaa verse=33] link
and this line
"He has created the heavens and the earth with truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. And He has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running (on a fixed course) for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving."
[Surah= az-zumar verse=5] link
these two lines say that earth,sun and moon has a orbit.
this line says sun is in the center of solar-system
"By the sun and its brightness. By the moon as it follows it (the sun)." [Soorah=ash-Shams 91 , verse=1-2] link
it says as the moon follows the earth so the earth follows sun.
so what do we get. Earth, Sun and Moon each has a orbit of its own. Moon circles around the Earth, And the Earth circles around the Sun. And the sun not only is in the center but also it has a orbit so it circles around the galaxy. it was seen by arab scientist but the others criticized them as they got no proof. [ it was a good thing what other scientist did because Allah never said us to take a sign from Qur'an and say it is right unless we have some real evidence]. This thing was first discovered by kopernicus and then re-discovered by galilio.
another proof of that time , it is easier
"Do you not consider how Allah has created seven heavens in layers And made the moon therein a [reflected] light and made the sun a burning lamp?"
[Surah=nuh verse=15-16] link
it is so easy i do not need to explain [about the reflection and light source thing]. the seven layers have not been proved yet but i have a theory but i do not have a proof the first layer is earth, the second layer is solar system, the third layer is milky-way our galaxy, fourth layer is galaxy groups, fifth layer is something that contains all the galaxy groups, sixth layer is universe, seventh layer is heaven and hell or something that contains those. My theory collapses from fifth to seventh layer as it has not been discovered yet. and please do not steal my theory because if i can prove it mathematically then i can get a Nobel price in physics.
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2.Now let me come to the recent scientific laws. If you are a student whether you are a science student or not you should know about special theory of relativity [if you do not know about this,which is the greatest discovery of 20th century, you should be ashamed of yourself]. This discovery totally displaced almost every laws that were made thinking that time and space were constant but Einstein made this totally wrong he said time and space and mass is dependent on the velocity of a subject so it is totally relative to that person. what is ten thousand years to one may be just a couple of seconds to other. though it was proved mathematically true, scientist did not wanted to believe it so they checked it again and again but this particular law was proved both in mathematics and in experiments unlike any other law in earth. So it is a Universal Truth. [ if you are a science student you may probably noticed that in the underground tunnel test neotreno was proved faster than light which was a constant in this law but that does not change the outcome because it will only change the ratio of how much time or space will be lengthen or shorten but still time and space will be shorten or lengthen which the main law is actually] This law started the modern science [which contains relativity , quantum mechanics, string theory etc]
Now in Islam one of the greatest inconsistency was Meraj. It is the night when Prophet Muhammad traveled great distances at a very very short amount of time. Although no scientist could prove that traveling great distance in a very very short time was impossible, they accused islam of being faulty for this certain event. But now we can prove that by Special theory of relativity. The thing in which Prophet Muhammad traveled was called Buraq. What kind of thing it was we do not know that still, but it surely could Fly at a very very great speed [almost near the speed of light or even more]. But we do not know if it is a animal or a machine . Our prophet described that as a Animal-like he did not particularly said that it was an animal. From his description we find out that it had wings and many pictures were drawn from that view. In those pictures The Buraq thing looked like a Pegasus. But that does not need to be true because Aeroplane was not invented then and the voice activation and voice command system was not invented in that time either. So even if he knew what was that , if he told those man in Mecca that they would not believe him. So the Buraq Being unscientific point is greatly handled.
Now let me come to the point of spending great amount of time in the travel while it was a very short time in Earth. In Special theory of relativity if you can travel at a very very high speed then you can spend more time than who is still. The easiest way to understand relativity is done by Einstein "if you spend your time near a beautiful lady then 5 hours may seem only 5 minutes to you on the other hand if you stay 5 minutes near fire it may seem 5 years to you." This is the easiest way to make someone understand about relativity i do not think myself smarter than Einstein so i will not try. By math it is easier to make someone understand it.
So as Buraq traveled at a very very high speed then it was possible for prophet Muhammad to spent a great amount of time in the travel while it was very short time in the earth. I can not prove that in description because it needs math to understand and i do not know your math level.
So if you need mathematical explanation then just ask.
N.B: now in internet it is flooded that if Muhammad traveled at a great amount of speed then why there was no physical change made to him as he was in human form after all. Now get the point about that, we know for space traveling we need special kind of suit and accessories. And Allah did not deny it either so before the travel was started Gibril [the massanger angel] made him ready for the travel following special methods. Hope you understood.
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