Posted by Saddletank on 03.17.2012, 01:03 AM:
quote: Originally posted by saviour2012
Now almost everyone who argued with me or said i am wrong, are trying to convince me or make me understand their personal opinion, because that is what they want.
A good deal of what we say here is our personal view, on whether we think equality for women is a good or bad thing, so yes, opinions are at work here. I don't think people are trying to get you to change yours, just expressing theirs by way of disagreeing with you.
quote: you got your beauties you want to show me. i have a big Gatling gun or a mighty lion or a crocodile to show you . does that sound very good?
You will need to take care with your examples, since waving a gun at people or bringing out a dangerous animal in pubic are all acts outside the law. If a person wears a minidress or a man goes without his shirt, those are both quite legal, therefore your examples need to include acts which are legal, and at that point your argument collapses as your point is lost.
quote: Now i totally agree and disagree. I agree with the fact that the concept of modesty is different in cultures . But i have to disagree with the fact that There are plenty of societies in which nudity is the norm, plenty in which it is not. Because it is the twenty first century we are living and we have seen the fall and rise of different cultures and nations. We know now why those cultures fell. I do not know how many will agree with this, one of the main reasons were nudity and adultery. Do you want to see your society and culture fall.
All the cultures that habitually go unclothed are very ancient cultures - some African tribes, some Amazonian tribes, some Polynesians... Cultures that would be far more widespread on the earth if Christian missionaries and Christian colonial powers had not exploited and destroyed them. The majority of people on this planet live in the medium to high northern latitudes where textile coverings are simply useful in order to keep warm; it is also these cultures who, a few hundred years ago, took their Christian values to the simpler cultures in the tropics and... destroyed them, or implanted their own beliefs and practices.
Had this not happened a far larger percentage of the earth's population would practice nudity as a simple fact of social normality.
But those disproportionate numbers aside, the proportions of clothed to unclothed societies is not at all relevant in this argument; the issue is that humans can and do live in soicieties fully naked, and without shame or guilt. The presence of shame and embarrasment appears to be a construct of those societies that stem from strong religious backgrounds - Christian and Moslem - where it is a teaching that clothing the body is correct and going unclothed is shameful.
That is all, we live purely by a burden of our religion, or we cover ourselves in textiles due to extreme climates. If neither of those instances prevailed, humans today, across the globe might well be a society of unclothed people.
quote: Now this thread is about gender equality. But how can be it possible if the women do not respect themselves.
A lot of individuals do not respect themselves but it is rarely because of their gender. A very large number of males have little to no self-respect as well. I'm therefore not sure what your point is.
quote: Now will you please tell me, if you think that you are equal to men then why you do need to start to become attractive. Why the boys should not try to be attractive to attract you.
Boys do the same, wearing stylish and fashionable clothes. Women may dress revealingly because ingrained deep within us are mechanisms within the male of the species that respond to the female form. Heterosexual males are hard-wired to respond positively towards breasts, wide hips, long legs, small waists, large eyes, full lips, and so on.
These facts though do not make women unequal, they merely make them women. Its part of the driving force of our genetics to further the species. You can have equality and sensual women, just the same way as you can have equality and sensual men; the presence of sexual or sensual display on its own does not make a person weak, dirty, of low morals or lacking in self-respect.
If a person does think a woman who dresses in a sexual or sensual way is weak, dirty, of low morals or lacking in self-respect (or should not be paid the same wage as a man for doing the same job), that is when you get inequality of the sexes.
quote: Now try to understand it from a experienced person
I hope you did not mean to imply that everyone you quoted above this remark was not experienced, as in mature.
quote: posted by husky51
I love and cherish all my women friends, lovers and acquaintances with few exceptions. I have met many women that do not deserve my respect for anything other than the fact that they are women. I have met these women usually in the course of my working as a security officer for over 40 years, both full and part time. These gals would give a guy a run for his money in meanness, crudity, cruelty and deadliness. I have actuality met these women, not just read about them.
quote: Husky is right. Do you respect a thief or a gangster or a thug. If you do not then why are you saying us that we should respect a prostitute. We do not know who you are in public now if you dress like a whore then you should not expect respect.
WHOA! Just wait a minute! So now you are making the huge and insulting leap that because a woman dresses sexily that makes her as bad as a whore? Holy crap, you do have problems!
Sure, a prostitute is a person who is in trouble and probably has many issues, fears and hardships, but at least she is NOT a thief or gangster or thug, those are people who hurt and commit crimes against others; a prostitute merely hurts her(or him)self. Yes, male prostitues. This is not just about women remember? Its about equality of the sexes.
quote: Then please tell me when a girl works for the enjoyment of boys, now can she enjoy a boy doing the same? will she be able to enjoy watching a boy the same that she did ? Answer is no ,no and no. She can not see that because there is no boy to do that for her.[in most cases, special cases are not acceptable]
The answer in yes, yes and yes. You've never been in many male strip bars have you? Seen male stripograms do their thing in pubs to crowds of office girls? All over the planet lots of males behave sexually and sensually and use their bodies and looks to make money, not "special cases" whatever that is, but in their millions, from American male porn stars to Thai femboys, males all over the world make a living from being overtly sexual.
I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it exists. Males and females both make a living from their sexualities.
I agree that fewer males do compared to females, but the male industry is still a vast business.
quote: Now if a girl thinks that she got no merit and no strength and no ability to work that she has to sell her beauty then that girl is not qualified for our respect.
You seem to be heading seriously off track here. We are talking about the equality of the sexes, not about the possible reasons that cause females to become pornstars or prostitutes and who are terrible people whom we should pour scorn on (the one does not follow from the other anyway).
Can we get back on topic please?
quote: Now to all girls i want to say is. Beauty is only for reproductive purpose. Flowers are given their colors so that it can be pollinated. Frogs can sing so that he can attract someone . Men and women are given their beauties for the same reason so that our kind human-kind do not perish from earth. It has nothing to do with equality. So these things should be kept inside bedrooms . The fast the girls understands that the faster they will get equality. Girls You have to respect yourself.
How does one attract a mate from inside a bedroom? A flower won't be pollenated if it covers itself with a cardboard box and frogs won't attract mates if they never sing.
As I said above, males are attracted to the female form and its a valid means to display that form for that purpose. A girl might not even be seeking a mate, but the act of putting on a sensual appearance in order to, say, go out clubbing, gives a girl a happy buzz, a high and a fun mood. I've met dozens of girls in such situations both in my youth and later life and both the female and male enjoy it. Why? Because its a hard-wired part of our genes.
A female doing this is not to be despised for it and she must not be treated unequally for it.
quote: Originally posted by saviour2012
tell me how many rules of your religion you follow. if everybody just follows their religion then two third of the worlds problems will be gone.
This both made me smile and made me rather sad.
The problem with religion is that humans interpret it. Both the Bible and the Qu'ran have beautiful teachings, which if everyone exactly understood them and universally followed them, would, I agree, do a great deal of good in the world. Perhaps even give us heaven on earth.
However, people do not. They misinterpret, they misunderstand, they wilfuly twist things to their own evil ends.
Two thousand years of Christianity and 1400 years of Moslem faith have resulted in more humans dying than for any other cause.
Religion doesn't work. Except for a small minority, or rather, several small minorities who each interpret things different ways. Moslems frequently argue that the Bible's teachings can't be pure because it has been questionably translated so many times, and its original meaning must have become corrupted, yet if purity of original language were a guarantee of exact obedience to faith, why are there as many corrupt Muslim factions as there are Christian?
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