Posted by saviour2012 on 03.16.2012, 08:05 AM:
Before starting the post i would like to say something. In a discussion or in an argument people try to establish their ideas by giving facts and giving proofs that backs up the fact. Now if you look at my earlier post you will see that i have tried to make everyone understand my opinion by giving facts. I do not care about any personal opinion. Now almost everyone who argued with me or said i am wrong, are trying to convince me or make me understand their personal opinion, because that is what they want. But society does not work like that. I want a ps3 at 20 bucks, it can seem fair to me.but if Sony gives everyone ps3s at that price they will be bankrupted. The same will happen to The society if one does whatever he wants. you got your beauties you want to show me. i have a big Gatling gun or a mighty lion or a crocodile to show you . does that sound very good? if that sound good to you then you are actually like a ostrich who puts his head in the sand and thinks nobody will see him. The truth may seem harder or may cause problems with your opinions but that is truth. You can delay to face it. But you can never escape it.
Orphic Okapi said excellently how dress sense is considered in different cultures
quote: posted by Orphic Okapi
There is nothing "natural" about covering up bodies. Nothing unnatural about it either. There are plenty of societies in which nudity is the norm, plenty in which it is not. Societies in which women all go topless do not have more "problems" than, say, Muslim societies, for instance. The notion is utterly daft.
Here's an illuminating quote, from C.S. Lewis of all people: "A girl in the Pacific islands wearing hardly any clothes and a Victorian lady completely covered in clothes might both be equally 'modest', proper, or decent, according to the standards of their own societies: and both, for all we could tell by their dress, might be equally chaste (or equally unchaste)."
Thus: the concept of modesty is totally subjective, and clothing reveals nothing about it. Any culture that blames rape (or anything else, as far as I'm concerned) on the way a woman dresses is a rape culture, pure and simple. It's a big problem in the Muslim world but not one remotely limited to it; the United States is a particularly ugly example.
for other who do not know where it is from[ i am happy to know that someone reads this kind of books here] link
Now i totally agree and disagree. I agree with the fact that the concept of modesty is different in cultures . But i have to disagree with the fact that There are plenty of societies in which nudity is the norm, plenty in which it is not. Because it is the twenty first century we are living and we have seen the fall and rise of different cultures and nations. We know now why those cultures fell. I do not know how many will agree with this, one of the main reasons were nudity and adultery. Do you want to see your society and culture fall.
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here is a quote from kagegami
quote: Animals and even plants in nature flaunt their beauty as much as they can at that time of year.
Now we are human beings . And we are better than animals aren't we. So why do you want to be like animals. Animals do not have a family,they are naked, they do sex with whoever they want or wherever they want. Now did not Allah or god made us better than them. Even if you do not believe in god , tell me can you live like a animal without a society or a family. So why the urge to be like them.
here is a quote from calforsale
quote: But there a multiple reasons why people like to dress in a 'sexy' way. Most people dress well for themselves, not others, they want to look good and be in fashion.
Now tell me why the fashion has to be revealing why it can not be concealing
Now this thread is about gender equality. But how can be it possible if the women do not respect themselves
some quotes
quote: posted by calforsale
People show off their body naturally, psychologist note that many women show off their chest to flirt with men. Its natural, its trying to attract a mate.
quote: posted by Nausicaa_Cat
I know plenty of intelligent, strong-minded girls who sometimes dress in what many would consider 'innappropriate' ways, simply because they enjoy their bodies - and yes it's probably for the attention.It feels good to be found attractive, and it often leads to the beginning of romantic possibilities.
Now will you please tell me, if you think that you are equal to men then why you do need to start to become attractive. Why the boys should not try to be attractive to attract you. As for strong minded girls why do they feel themselves that they lack and they are not attractive enough for their job their reputation that they need to reveal themselves to attract males towards them . it is completely contradictory. From these all of us get the massage that women do not respect themselves.
Now try to understand it from a experienced person
quote: posted by husky51
I love and cherish all my women friends, lovers and acquaintances with few exceptions. I have met many women that do not deserve my respect for anything other than the fact that they are women. I have met these women usually in the course of my working as a security officer for over 40 years, both full and part time. These gals would give a guy a run for his money in meanness, crudity, cruelty and deadliness. I have actuality met these women, not just read about them.
Husky is right. Do you respect a thief or a gangster or a thug. If you do not then why are you saying us that we should respect a prostitute. We do not know who you are in public now if you dress like a whore then you should not expect respect.
Another problem is getting involved in the entertainment for male
quote: posted by kagegami
If a girl wishes to use her looks and her appeal for her own profit then good luck to her, business has made this possible. I don't find it fair that she should be made ashamed, or blamed for bringing her sex into disrepute. If a woman has a beautiful face and a beautiful body then it's entirely up to her what she does with it, within the law, and no-one has the right to dictate otherwise to her.
Now tell me kagegami you want gender equality right?. Then please tell me when a girl works for the enjoyment of boys, now can she enjoy a boy doing the same? will she be able to enjoy watching a boy the same that she did ? Answer is no ,no and no. She can not see that because there is no boy to do that for her.[in most cases, special cases are not acceptable] Now if a girl thinks that she got no merit and no strength and no ability to work that she has to sell her beauty then that girl is not qualified for our respect.
Now i do not understand why the girls want to look attractive.
Do they never question themselves that why i am wearing this?
From where i have learned to wear something like this?
Is is really my natural dress?
The answer is all the ideas are from the media
here is another quote
quote: posted by calforsale
if people have great beauty why should they not be able to use it if they wish to?
The answer is they do not. It is the dirty businessmen who actually implemented those girls forcefully. In the primary stage of prostitution in the history of human-kind girls were hijacked from their houses or from vehicles. then they were turned into prostitutes. But after the passage of time these businessmen have constantly grown stronger and now have made making and selling xxx content legal. And thus opening a free market for sex. guys see those and get excited and try to implement those things with other girls. This is just pure evil business nothing else.
I will end my post quoting a line from Hayao Miyazaki
"about my characters many women Especially, girls say, "women are not like that." -laughs-
For some reason, men don't say "men are not like that." They think that there may be such a man, but women say with confidence, "this is not a (real) woman." I'm not sure (why)."
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Now to all girls i want to say is. Beauty is only for reproductive purpose. Flowers are given their colors so that it can be pollinated. Frogs can sing so that he can attract someone . Men and women are given their beauties for the same reason so that our kind human-kind do not perish from earth. It has nothing to do with equality. So these things should be kept inside bedrooms . The fast the girls understands that the faster they will get equality. Girls You have to respect yourself.
__________________ Watch everything but only take the good things from it
Ask, think and learn. Because the more we know the more we grow.
Watching the wrong to happen is the same as commiting the wrong.
If it looks like things are forcing you to be creative, Then be creative.
its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso] taken from a quote of Saddletank and Orphic Okapi
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